In Your Lifetime, Will America Every Have Healthcare As Accessible, Cheap, Comprehensive As, Say France?
Or Germany, or Ireland, Norway? You pick.
Too many insurance companies are refusing claims, limiting access, increasing co-pay etc., while increasing rates at 9% a year.
It is estimated that in 5 years it will cost $21,000 a year to cover a family of four in the USA.
Less than half that in France, Norway etc.
So, thinking hard about what is going on, will you see a reformed Health care system in America in your lifetime?
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November 27th, 2009 at 4:58 am
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November 27th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Canadian doctors went on strike when that nation first implemented its single-payer system in the early 1960′s—now Canadians would never consider going back. In fact, they recently voted Tommy Douglas, the man who instituted their current system, “the Greatest Canadian”.
None of my vet or senior citizen friends would consider giving up their single-payer health care. The rest of us need to wise up and admit that we’ve been hornswoggled by the rapacious insurance/medico-legal scam that controls access to medical care in this country.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
There will be a reform, but unfortunately, we have waited much longer than we should have to get things done. We have all agreed that our system is flawed in many ways, yet we have continued to watch the situation decline with some people too afraid to try anything for fear that it will be even worse. We have added MediCare and MedicAid along the way and passed laws that require hospitals to administer care with absolutely no way to fund the care. We are covering bankrutpcies, 60% of which are due to medical bills, and we somehow think that the private sector will fix our system if only the are given enough competition. Only problem is, insurance companies don’t compete for the sick, they compete for the healthy. Even insured people often end up in bankruptcy when serious illness happens, so the insurance companies are failing even their own insured.
Here’s what I think will happen: things will get worse before they get better. If health care is reformed, the new system will also need revisions along the way.
November 27th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
I like to think that in my lifetime, the US will catch up to the rest of the developed world with their health care. What so many don’t seem to get is that if health care is run as a not-for-profit, the costs would go down. Also, if they didn’t have to spend so much money paying salesmen to sell health care insurance, and then pay even more people to deny coverage the costs would go down as well. Once the new system starts rolling, everyone will come around.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
That depends. When will we see a 60% tax rate in the United States like in…oh say France?
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“Dr President
You have a 60% tax rate now, only it is called ‘annual deficit” an accountant would call it deferred taxation.”
I haven’t seen any inflation. If Bush’s spending will cause inflation, will we owe hyper-inflation to Obama’s spending?
If businesses boom during wartime from government contracts, why would there be any lower wages because of federal spending?**
November 27th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Look at how large of a scale the US is compared to France. We also have an open-door policy to where anyone can waltz right in and become an American over night.
Maybe if we were to plan and implement tort reform, increase the amount of a tax deductible from a charitable donation, and drop some of these grudge taxes at the upper class, we could have our health care be as cheap and accessible as France but for now, these idiots are trying to do more than they are capable of being able to do.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
When one speaks of the future, you must consider that what cannot exist today can exist then. There is no way of knowing what kind of advanced system may exist in 50 years from now.
In the present, the answer is no. France has a population of only 100 million (and four million too many in Paris.) The same kind of system doesn’t work in America with its 300 million people.
Can health care be cheap? Yes. Can it be as comprehensive as other nations? Not likely, if you mean the majority.
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November 28th, 2009 at 3:23 am
it is the cost of medical care itself that causes the insurance to go up…in other countries the hospitals and doctors are limited on what they can charge as a way to keep costs down…here doctors and hospitals are a “business” and can charge anything that they want…….insurance will keep going up as long as the hospitals can make a profit on the sick and dying…
November 28th, 2009 at 8:10 am
It’s not cheap in France or Germany is paid in higer taxes and Irish medicine is poor. How about medical coverage in Rowanda its cheap too.
You want cheap medical coverage get government and lawyers out of the medical industry. Doctors pay anywhere from $100,000 to $250,000 per year in malpractice insurance premiums…. but you won’t find tort reform in Obamas plan….. because he is a lawyer!
November 28th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Speaker Pelosi? Is that you? I was wanting to ask how you’re able to spout out all those Democrat Party talking points while disguised as somebody else on Y/A? And even more, I was wondering how the hell you manage to take the truth and twist the hell out of it to make it fit your political scheme? Uh, never mind answering, how the hell would I know if you’re telling me the truth or not. Sheeesh!
November 28th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Cheap?
LOLOLOL
You do realize that in France, 1 gallon of gasoline costs upward of $15
because the TAX goes to fund so called “CHEAP” health care?
Some day kid, you’ll stop believing in the tooth fairy and that there is such a thing as a free lunch.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
You mean CRAPPY care for ALL?
Do you mean LOUSY care for all, INCLUDING THOSE WHO DON’T EARN IT PAID FOR BY THOSE WHO WORK?
I HOPE THAT NEVER HAPPENS.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:02 am
I hope I do see reformed health care, just not from the corrupt Democratic party of greed and power.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:43 am
I hope so, but I want free market reforms not more government interference.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
I suppose that depends…
…Do you also demand mandatory national service and a homogeneous culture?
…Do you advocate rigid immigration standards, a national language and “Citizens Only” access to health care?
…Do you long for 20% sales tax in addition to higher income taxes?
…Do you want the government to determine who goes to college and who goes to trade school for the good of The State?
Understand that these things all go hand-in-hand. You cannot demand all the benefits of European life without the willingness to sacrifice much of what defines us as American. The only way for a State to manage those costs is to manage its population. And even then, the results are questionable.
The most “successful” systems are in the relatively small, homogeneous Scandinavian populations. England, France and Germany are all feeling the stress of systems that pay out more than they take in and economies that need immigrant labor to survive, but cannot afford to cover them.
Meanwhile, Japan and Ireland are facing the problems of aging populations and shifting economies, exposing once again the inherent short-sightedness of State-controlled healthcare.
Yes, it is sad to hear when people go bankrupt because of health-care costs. But how much more catastrophic would it be when a GOVERNMENT goes bankrupt for the same reason and the People have no system upon which to fall back?